Coronavirus

[Broccers]

The obvious danger of that sort of reporting is people will just fob it off aS not being any worse that a flu outbreak 20 years ago.

Agree mate but we can't live like this for much longer

What do you propose we do instead?

Looking at other countries as a guide it appears there isn't an answer.

[Broccers]

What really surprises me is how little time many companies can weather a problem like this.

To be fair it's probably not something anyone considered would happen. If they recently invested in buildings, kit etc they still have to pay the bills

[NotoriousREV]

What really surprises me is how little time many companies can weather a problem like this.

To be fair it's probably not something anyone considered would happen. If they recently invested in buildings, kit etc they still have to pay the bills

Most disaster recovery and business continuity plans consider things like not being able to trade for insurable reasons and being able to begin trading from alternative premises etc. The idea of not being able to trade for 3+ months just because you’ve been told to stop or aren’t getting any sales isn’t something that won’t have been planned for by almost all businesses.

[Sundayjumper]

...or how little they earn in percentage terms compared to their profits ?

Not necessarily profit, it's about cashflow. Many businesses saw their turnover drop to zero pretty much overnight and if you've still got staff to pay, rent etc. then with no cash coming in you'll burn through what you've got very quickly indeed. Previous profit that's been invested into stock or equipment is not much help right now.

A £1m business <> A business with £1m sitting in the bank.

[Orange Cola]

If you went to any company on the 1st of March and told them this was going to happen they’d laugh in your face, then eat their own words before the month was out!

[Simon]

So, could this be another reason some people get it 'worse' than others? (other than viral load)

And good to see Oxford's vaccine is starting human trials on Thursday. I have to say that I admire the play to start manufacture in large numbers before it's even been proved or approved. If the trials don't work out then all you've lost is the few £million you've wasted in production (nothing in the grand scheme of things), but if the vaccine works then you've potentially saved thousands of lives by being able to get it out of the gate sooner.

[integrale_evo]

It's the exact same thing the government did with the tests they ordered but didn't pay for until they had tested them but everyone has complained about...

[Swervin_Mervin]

So, could this be another reason some people get it 'worse' than others? (other than viral load)

And good to see Oxford's vaccine is starting human trials on Thursday. I have to say that I admire the play to start manufacture in large numbers before it's even been proved or approved. If the trials don't work out then all you've lost is the few £million you've wasted in production (nothing in the grand scheme of things), but if the vaccine works then you've potentially saved thousands of lives by being able to get it out of the gate sooner.

I'm led to believe that there is a genetic predisposition to one's immune system reacting with greater fervour than necessary (leading to the fluid in the lungs).

As for the Oxford vaccine I'll wait with baited breath. When other Pharmas are joining forces but still reckoning on at least 12mo to get one to market it seems a little surprising that another could get one in production by Autumn

[integrale_evo]

Lots of countries show men generally suffering worse than women. Wonder whether that physical or genetic differences or something basic like men being more macho and ignoring it / not seeking help until it's too late.

[duncs500]

...or how little they earn in percentage terms compared to their profits ?

Not necessarily profit, it's about cashflow. Many businesses saw their turnover drop to zero pretty much overnight and if you've still got staff to pay, rent etc. then with no cash coming in you'll burn through what you've got very quickly indeed. Previous profit that's been invested into stock or equipment is not much help right now.

A £1m business <> A business with £1m sitting in the bank.

I guess cash reserves of any magnitude are essentially dead money too, not making you much compared to having that money invested in something?

[Simon]

Lots of countries show men generally suffering worse than women. Wonder whether that physical or genetic differences or something basic like men being more macho and ignoring it / not seeking help until it's too late.

No it's simpler than that. Everyone knows that man-flu is the worst bug you can get. Woman-flu is barely worse than a cold.

[nuttinnew]

its full

Inchindown

[Carlos]

Lots of countries show men generally suffering worse than women. Wonder whether that physical or genetic differences or something basic like men being more macho and ignoring it / not seeking help until it's too late.

That's not been the case in Wales. About 26% of deaths were women between 40 and 60 the bulk of the rest were 60+ on broadly a 50% split.

[unzippy]

Agree mate but we can't live like this for much longer

What do you propose we do instead?

Looking at other countries as a guide it appears there isn't an answer.

71 deaths in Aus (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... australia/)
There's no denying that Aus has/is doing well. However the lock down is a lot less severe than the UK.


Sunday I popped into work for a few bits - The Farmer's market down the road was running, and busy.
Most shops are still open - Bunnings, Spotlight, BBQs Galore, big malls like High Point - none of the UK equivalents are.
Fast food joints are open, albeit takeaway/drive through/delivery only - UK Maccers/BK etc are shut completely.

Not sure what my point is, just interesting to observe.

[ZedLeg]

This is the kind of shit that needs to be investigated when we’re through this.

Whether it’s local London government, national government or NHS management. The impression is that people are desperate to be seen to be doing the right thing with no planning of how to actually implement it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... y-patients

[Rich B]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-c ... cebook_app

Remember, no “bare-bottom farting” In public guys.

[drcarlos]

This is the kind of shit that needs to be investigated when we’re through this.

Whether it’s local London government, national government or NHS management. The impression is that people are desperate to be seen to be doing the right thing with no planning of how to actually implement it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... y-patients

It’s not fucking rocket science though is it? We had a nursing shortage in the hospitals we did have before the epidemic, common sense would dictate that we wouldn’t have enough to staff these extra places. Maybe we could stockpile nurses in a warehouse like ppe? We could chuck them some food and water once a week.....

[nuttinnew]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-c ... cebook_app

Remember, no “bare-bottom farting” In public guys.

"cautioned against oral contact with feces during sex".

[ZedLeg]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-c ... cebook_app

Remember, no “bare-bottom farting” In public guys.

"cautioned against oral contact with feces during sex".

Sad news for the felchers

[mik]

Wows.