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Just finished an article on the current Supercar Market and where it might be headed.

https://karenable.com/supercar-market-i ... july-2022/

Thoughts? Comments?

RobYob wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:02 am Lots of money from ME.

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... es-a-stake

and the Saudis are buying in a less than half what Stroll paid for his shares just two years ago.

But with that huge debt and few suitors is there any advantage other than political optics in investing now or picking over the carcass in 12months time? Definitely wiser to wait and pick over the carcass Unless they could negotiate a massive tax waiver, several peerages and spots at Oxbridge for t...

I think had they the cash Geely would be welcomed with open arms. Certainly Geely having already negotiated an AMG power train for Lotus should have a head start on keeping AML in motors. But with that huge debt and few suitors is there any advantage other than political optics in investing now or ...

Just posted an article on how I think the Stroll Era might end at Aston Martin given their current financial condition and dramatic drop in the stock price:

https://karenable.com/aston-martin-the- ... es-it-end/

Comments?

Zonda_ wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:19 pm

SSO wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:11 pm

ZedLeg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:06 am should have some experimental tech that'll go wrong and turn it into a garage ornament in 20 years

Only the ones from Porsche.....(see 959...)

Really? What stops them working?

A lot of the tech Porsche put in the 959 has not aged well and is absolutely eye watering to repair.

ZedLeg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:06 am should have some experimental tech that'll go wrong and turn it into a garage ornament in 20 years

Only the ones from Porsche.....(see 959...)

dinny_g wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:39 am They don't...

Hyper-car was an unnecessary designation created because too many cars that weren't Supercars were being given that moniker.

There needs to be a committee, like a Appellation d'Origine Controlée d'Supercar, to decide...

SSO as the inaugural Chair

Nomination humbly accepted.

I’ll allow it… Just :) Didn’t many people think is didn’t deserve the GTO moniker??? Edit - actually No, it’s not a Supercar. It’s a special version of an existing car that isn’t sufficiently different to warrant the title. Actually it really isn’t. 599 GTO is based off of the 599 FXX track car and...

Mito Man wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:43 pm I should have said F12 TdF.
I'll add the Alfa 8C to that list too.

8C is just a rebodied Granturismo

dinny_g wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:05 pm

Jobbo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:25 pm

dinny_g wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:41 pm

Oh - good shout... but then the 959 is a supercar but rear engined...

And wasn't the Ferrari Daytona a supercar which was front engined?

Not to my mind no. I’m struggling to think of a Front Engined car that’s a Supercar

Ferrari 599 GTO

Hum, interesting take but I think your definition of 'supermodel' would be my definition of supercar. I'd put particularly focus on the road presence, they need to be rare enough that it's out of the ordinary for an average person to see one, but not necessarily super limited production. Track perf...

I just posted up a blog on Supercar Definitions which added a few more categories:

https://karenable.com/new-supercar-definitions/

Comments?  Any additions?

More recently the v8 vantage and db9 sold well because they were pretty. The replacements weren’t. Then the dynamics pace and price come into it and people start to concentrate on “flaws” instead of “character”. Like how old alfas are unreliable as hell but people put up with it because pretty Agre...

I don't claim to understand the details of this but the overall picture is clear - Chalk and cheese - Ferrari going from strength to strength and Aston going for the Bin. As someone who lives in Newport Pagnell, it's pretty sad to see An 8th bankruptcy for Aston Martin does seem quite possible now.

I just posted up an article on Ferrari's Q1 2022 results:

https://karenable.com/ferraris-q1-2022/

it was a bit of a financial enema after digging through the financial excrement that was Aston Martin's Q1:

https://karenable.com/the-turtle-aston- ... 2-results/

Comments?

Sounds like it could be quite the drivers car with the heavy clutch sorted. And a cupholder :lol: My guess is I will not find the clutch quite as "heavy" given my car history. Your 6'3" broad-shouldered buddy shouldn't be skipping leg day :D I will pass that along........from a safe ...

RobYob wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:33 am Sounds like it could be quite the drivers car with the heavy clutch sorted.

And a cupholder

My guess is I will not find the clutch quite as "heavy" given my car history.

RobYob wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:54 pm Certainly hope SCG does well and I might see one on the road someday.

Quite a long stream of thoughts article with a few repeated ideas though, I look forward to the "official" SSO take sometime in the future.

I am hoping to be able to sort out a test drive in May

New blog, SCG 004S Test Drive & First Impressions, just posted on Karenable.com

https://karenable.com/%EF%BF%BCscg-004s ... pressions/

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